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Hello Jocoh podcast listeners and welcome back to another episode. Before we get into today's episode, we would like to say happy New Year to everyone who is listening to our Jocoh family. We hope that you all had a restful break and are excited for the new year. So today's episode, we have a guest with us. We'll let her introduce herself in just a little bit, but we are going to be talking about Babel, the TV show by Moro-DTV. It runs on YouTube and there's so many of you who are listening, who have reached out or individually, have reached out to one of the three of us here on the episode today talking about the latest episode. So that's what we're going to be talking about in this episode of Jocoh and with that I will let my guest introduce herself.
Speaker 2:Hi everyone, it's Hadifah. Thank you for having me, and was I supposed to have a bio?
Speaker 1:You said it's Hadifah. Like everyone knows who you are. You don't have to have a bio bio, but you can talk to people a little bit about yourself maybe.
Speaker 2:Sure, I just moved to New York and I just received my master's degree. Yay to me. And right now I'm just, I'm a teacher. That's a good one, I am a teacher.
Speaker 1:What did you get your master's in?
Speaker 2:I got my master's degree in creative and innovative education.
Speaker 1:Oh, congratulations, Thank you, Congrats and thank you for joining us in this episode. We are excited because Babel who wants to?
Speaker 2:start.
Speaker 3:I can go ahead. Layla Chan took it too far and what pissed me off about her character Because we have to always let's speak to these people as characters, because, I got it in your up, we combine who they are as people with their character. So we're talking about their character, not the actor who plays Layla Chan. But my issue with Layla is and I guess with women who have gone through what she's gone through in general is that they always focus all of their energy and their hate and their vitriol against other women.
Speaker 3:Even if Fah did what they are blaming her for doing, even if it was 100% of her, there's a limit to how far your revenge should go, Like okay, get your revenge, but what about Babaka? What can you do with Babaka? Nobody's trying to figure out where he is or hold him accountable for anything. So, like the man who started all of this because he's the one that broke our heart is just living his best life and then Fah is just getting everything put on her. So that's one thing I'm just like not about. I don't know what you guys think about that.
Speaker 2:I 100% agree. She took her way too far. It's almost like devious, you know like it's very malicious. I should say it because it's like I understand you think someone did something bad to you, but then you go and do something worse and like you're not holding somebody accountable. Who is accountable for all of this? Not her at all, exactly.
Speaker 3:Like, the payback is not equal to the crime, even if the crime like had been committed.
Speaker 1:I could see if she had proof. But she's literally operating on assumption and I know someone came and said that it was Fah who did it. But at least try to get some proof. I don't know. I feel like she is taking it too far without even having any standing aside from word of mouth. But I agree with you, adam even if Fah did it 100%, it's not necessary to continue to go after her the way that she is, in ways that are ruining her life way more than what she claims Fah ruined her life for.
Speaker 3:And you're talking about proof. The only proof she has is based on what Naboo told her. Since when was Naboo a reliable source in that house? And that's one thing I'm making no sense in here is like no one took Naboo seriously at all for like the first 24 episodes or, however, episodes. And then now Naboo makes this claim that's so severe and all of a sudden everybody like listens to her and like doesn't investigate what she's saying. Like that part, too, was like a little weird to me.
Speaker 2:I think the problem with this whole show is just no one is interested in the facts. They just hear what someone says and they take it and run with it and it's just like, how do you not try to get proof? It's just, it's common sense. You don't just hear something and go with it, you try to investigate and none of them do that.
Speaker 3:But one who does that I forget his name is the uncle that came, that's really like frankified. It makes no sense. You know when that cares about the facts but nobody takes them seriously.
Speaker 1:But how do you make a good point? Like no one? No one asks questions, and that actually is one of the first things that I wrote down over yours. Like, thinking about this episode is Khalil. I think he's the main person who does that in this series and he's the most important one because he's the one who's married to Fa. So for him, how do we feel about his behavior overall, where he hears something and then they did it. They did it like me. He literally just goes and attacks his wife, no matter what, and it's like you live in a big house so you know how things go. Why would you not take the time to ask questions and talk to your wife first before you accuse her of certain things? So I guess I just answered my own question. How do you guys feel about Khalil?
Speaker 2:I hate him. I mean I hate his character. I should say I don't know. I should say I hate his character Because really, when that whole thing happened, I called my husband and I was like I hate all man and he's like you. Every time you listen to a show, you come back and you bring it on me. I'm like I don't care, all men are stupid.
Speaker 3:He's definitely the weakest link on the show, and a man wrote his character Like I don't know, maybe not, I don't know who the producers are for the show, but his character is popular enough in our culture that we see it in our households that it shocks us. But there's a lot of men who operate like him where they are so removed from what's going on in the day to day, because every day Khalil has his little bag and goes to work. He doesn't know what's happening in the day to day, but yet he feels like he can just make a final decision based on however he feels, which is selfish, arrogant, irresponsible. And then what pisses me the most about him is when he'd be pouring his heart out to Mitty Christmas or whatever that girl's name is Like. Why do you feel the need to share your darkest secret with another woman? Why do you think that's?
Speaker 1:okay. Hadid and I were just talking about this yesterday, like can he please stop talking to Mitty? I don't care how nice Mitty is, I don't care how much she says she wants what's best for him, he wants him for herself and if there's anything that anybody can tell you is you got to keep those problems between the two of you. You already live in a big house where everybody else is, by proxy, going to find out what's going on, but you're at work talking about your personal life like it's so normal. Even when he received that like the screenshot or the message that showed that Fah had got an abortion, which she didn't but even when he received that in the office, he was having a whole tantrum, talking about coming over and just asking somebody about like sir, you are in a professional environment. I need you to keep it down and I need you to take that outside. It was he.
Speaker 1:Just I don't like his character at all. He has anger management issues. He doesn't think, he doesn't reflect. I don't know how far got him or he got five, but they're a horrible couple together. The last thing they do is communicate.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes and well, I even feel sometimes they communicate but they don't like tell the story 100%. I feel like they tell 75 and they leave the other person to just guess the other 25. I just feel like if you just investigated a little bit more, you would have gotten the real answer. But for me, I think his main issue is like he wants to be deemed as like the killer for and I think a lot of men make the same like what am I thinking of this? The same issue, the mistake, the same mistake, and I think they think it's killer for as like a title. But it's like it's a way of life that you need to live. You need to just like think before you do anything. And like you have now someone that you need to be taken care of in your house, you're supposed to protect, and you just like don't do that. I feel like that's I don't know. I feel like that's a break in our relationship. I would not go back to him.
Speaker 3:Because what hurts the most, I think, is like if somebody catches you doing something and you did it, that's great, but somebody gets mad at something that you know, for a fact that you didn't do, and they keep making you feel bad and saying all of these terrible things and just like breaking your heart even though you knew you didn't do it. That type of like frustration and anger would make me like walk away and never come back. And that's why I think when most of us, when we watch this since we as an audience, we can see the truth with the people in the show, the actors they don't see what the audience see. Obviously, like we know what the truth is but like finally just keeps getting, you know, blamed for all sorts of things, and that's what makes us angry as viewers, because we can understand that frustration.
Speaker 3:And I think that you talk about Kilifa Hadi, but like, the example of Kilifa that we have is Preyavn Yuga, and I don't even think he is the perfect example, even though they try to make him seem like he's the best Kilifa, because he has all of the traits that would make a good Kilifa in Senegalese society, and the reason why I say that is that he never resolved the problems, he just pushed people forward. He kept telling people like, move forward, move forward. They never sat down and addressed the root of the problem. He was just trying to say that, hey, I'm your grandfather, I'm your father, listen to me, but that doesn't solve anything. And now we see it. Now that's why it's sort of gotten to this point. And his wife even though she's kind of satire-ing a little bit, she was saying that she was like before you bring fa to the house, make sure that Fa and Leila, their issue, is resolved. So I don't think we have, we don't have a single good example of Kilefa, I think in Murodi, in the Murodi production, to be honest.
Speaker 1:Not in the whole Murodi production, but I agree with you, adam.
Speaker 1:I always say, I've always said since I started watching the show that Ben Juga looks good, but he's not the example that we need to be going after, because his whole thing is like like everybody stay in the house, everybody live together.
Speaker 1:But I feel like a true Kilefa would investigate the toxicity in the house and try to get to the root cause of it, like you were talking about him but also give people the freedom to make life choices that they would like to make as adults. I feel like he has all these male sons who are adults and have wives and children, but he wants them all to stay in the house and we all know like living together is very, very hard. So when you have all these different personalities under one roof, people, some people are safe, some people have good intentions it's just not a good mix. So I feel like he needs to take a step back himself and recognize that maybe he's holding some people back from reaching their full potential. He maybe isn't fostering the positive environment that he truly thinks he is by keeping everyone together.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I absolutely agree. But, juga, it's just, it's like you need to investigate and, being a Kilefa, I just feel like they just have the definition all wrong and they all want to act like they are, and that's just what gets them in the worst situations. Like how did you are never going to be able to come back from this, like you are going to be so tarak. Like how do you come back from this?
Speaker 1:But I feel like they are going to try to make him come back from it. Like my thing is, they're going to try to make it seem like, oh, he just made a little mistake and five should forgive him and I'm all my four forgiveness. They're married. At this point, it's better to resolve the relationship than to dissolve it. But at the end of the day, five really needs to take a step back and look at the characteristics that Halil is showing. He's showing that he's not going to protect her when things go wrong. Like I mentioned earlier, he also has anger management issues. So I don't know. I'm just starting out there that maybe we should reevaluate this relationship.
Speaker 3:I think I think that Halil is a good example of Senegalese men in the diaspora Remember they came from France Because what he's juggling to is he's trying so hard to like, prove to himself and to his family that he's still like a Senegalese man and for he sort of perceives and I'm not saying what he's perceiving is correct, but he perceives what's happening with Fa and his family as a threat to his Senegalese masculinity and his Senegalese identity.
Speaker 3:And maybe I'm over analyzing it, probably one of these, not even thinking about it in this way, but this is my analysis of what I've been watching, because you can see so hard that he wants to live to Kurguma, even though if he were to move and live in an apartment he probably could. There'll be a little bit of pushback, but he could probably do that he tries so hard to. I don't know if I'm speaking in circles, I don't know if what I'm saying is making sense, but I feel like that's where his sort of anger and resentment is coming from, like every time that his brothers criticize him and say that, oh, since you've come to this house there's been issues, or oh, you should have gone back to France. So I think like that's his issue. I don't know if what I said made sense. I think it does it?
Speaker 2:actually? It made me rethink. I was like, okay, I guess I could see his side even though, like you said, it doesn't excuse anything that he did but I could see where he felt like he needs to protect that masculinity that you're talking about, that Senegalese are just like. But what I still don't understand. I feel like if you're in love, you're saying you're so in love, but you're a significant other and you live with this person two years, like 365 days twice, and you don't know this person. I feel like that's a break in trust. You know, I feel like how did you come back from that?
Speaker 1:I actually was going to ask you guys a question regarding Fah's responsibility and all of this. I believe she has some responsibility. I think sometimes she plays she tries to play that perfect wife role too much where backfires. The first example I can think of is when they went to the courthouse to sign and she was talking all that mess about he can do whatever and she trusts herself like okay, I even was able to get past that. But I think the moving into the big family house, the Kuru Fami thing, is something that should have been thought through a little bit more. I understand she wants to please her husband and I hear what you guys are saying about Khaled also trying to juggle those two identities that he has. But I feel like sometimes Fah tries to be the perfect wife instead of just like admitting that she's a human being and that, like the situation isn't perfect.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I think. I agree she does have some responsibility, because you can't. I feel like she tries to take away. Honestly, she's taken away too much of herself, like she's compromising too much and it's like you need to speak up. I feel like, and it's also stop. This is not whatever. You have this idea of being a perfect wife and kuru mak, like that still doesn't take away from like your human being, you know.
Speaker 3:Exactly. There were lots of moments where she just was quiet, like when they found the Fidirusafirah, she was just like they found that. She just she had a look of shock in their face where she didn't say anything. And then when she got caught about to slap what's her name, haricham she got, she didn't do it but like they, they it looked at suspect but she didn't say anything. Like every time she got in a mess that she did not do, she always kept quiet and never opened her mouth and defended herself, and not that that was weird. And then when things were happening, she never sat down with Khalil to let him know as things were happening, even though Khalil, like, didn't even make the space to listen. Is like they both never sat down, because if you tell someone something, then they'll sort of understand how a certain event materialized, like had she been.
Speaker 3:Had Khalil opened up the door of conversation, what happened with Layla at her birthday party would have not been a surprise, because he would have already known that she is out to get his wife. But since that type of conversation never happened, he's just over there trying to interpret what he sees instead of understanding his wife's interpretation of events, which is extremely disheartening, like you guys were saying earlier, which I don't understand. What kind of relationship this is is if you don't even know how your wife is living in the household, how he does not care what father is going through in the house. All he cares about is the reactions of his family members. So I don't understand anymore. Like, who is his loyalty to? Who does he really care for? It's giving selfish to me, to be honest.
Speaker 1:It is giving selfish, it is giving dumb too. It's like you act like you don't know what the possibilities could be Like. For example, when Fah cooked and they had, I think they put what was a salt in the food and everybody ate and was making those faces and Fah just got up and left, like you said, she didn't even try to explain what was going on, like say, I didn't do it. It's just so simple. I don't know, maybe I'm oversimplifying it, but I would just be like I didn't do that Exactly. Like why would you just get up and walk away? You know, she just got up and walked away and then Hollywood came into the room and was comforting her, as if she did indeed mess up and he just understood.
Speaker 1:It's like there was no communication on that. In that instance of I didn't do this or him saying I know this wasn't you, it was kind of just like, oh, you just messed up this meal, but it's okay, don't worry about it. Like no, that's not what happened. So the two of them, they're in a lot of land for real.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I think we talk about our share, like being the person that so doesn't defend herself. But five minutes of that's the exact same thing, like and no point that she ever tried to defend herself, even just within this last episode of like him showing her that I don't know, did she say that she didn't do it? It's like speak up or like where did you get this from? Like, who, like you know, invest?
Speaker 1:She just stood there looking stupid, like what is this Girl?
Speaker 2:yeah, Like there are not us with her Bambi eyes.
Speaker 3:Exactly you write the Bambi eyes. The person did casting did really well because, yeah, she fits the role. What the I'm? I listened to the podcast that y'all did in the Jean Mama podcast, when you guys talked about Babel and you guys were talking about Kurgumat and whether it's like something that makes sense for 2023. I personally think that Kyrgyzstan in 2023 is equal to conflict, like there is no Kyrgyzstan without conflict or problems, because when you are with your friends, you are beautiful, because before everybody was earning the same amount of income, living the same amount of life.
Speaker 3:But now you see it in Babel, where maybe Khalil was able to travel and that caused resentment with Sadik Sadik. Sadik Sadik like everyone. So then he's resenting Khalil because he was able to step away from the family business and go to France. So, like those types of things we see in real life is like people don't earn the same amount of income. So then there's jealousy. Maybe one husband can do something for his wife that the other man can't do for his wife, so then he feels emasculated. So then now there's hostility. Maybe the children in the household, too, have hostility. It's like I can't imagine no situation where that will go well for anybody. I don't know.
Speaker 3:Have you guys seen examples where it's like Absolutely not.
Speaker 2:I don't think I have, and I think it's like okay, let's have a big house and let's just everybody in here, let's just all compete with each other. Everyone is in competition and no one grows up in that. This is like a good person and we see it in the kids right now. Hadi, come on now. When I found out that Hadi is the person or I don't know, potentially is the person I'm just like this whole family. No one in this family is okay and it might be the result of living in a good boom. We have never actually thought about that.
Speaker 1:No, I think there's. So I was talking about the show with my husband and he hates the show, he refuses to watch it. But sometimes I forced him to watch little clips here and there and he was saying that part of what happens is when you grow up in a good month it's normalized for you to see your aunts fighting with each other or being in competition with each other. So for you it's not a big deal for you to engage in those same things. And that's what we're seeing with the kids in the house. They all were up for the back the buck exam and here they go competing like low key. Their moms were like who got a better score? Who got you know this and this and that.
Speaker 1:So I think it's toxicity all around. It's human nature to have natural competition and when you have it amongst family members, I think it just bruised bad blood and eventually it's going to like spill over. I think. How do I think? I think, yeah, I think it's a bad idea to live in a house that big with that many people, especially when you start forming new families. We talked about it in episode how do you wear. We were like the interests of one family might not be the interest of another family. So what you want for your kids, if that's in direct contrast with what somebody else wants for their kids, is going to cause problems in the household.
Speaker 3:And they were. The kids are also getting moved into the drama of their aunties and uncles. Like Leila repruded the kids to help with her little missions to get revenge. Like Hadi was over there, worried about going to Canada and now all of a sudden, now she's part of the World War II. That's happening in the house and her kids are like, not focused on anything. And then what's her name?
Speaker 3:I wish, as kids are, sort of are, and then they're seeing like you can't like and you can't prevent them from hanging out with each other because their cousins. Like all of that could have been avoided if everybody had their own apartment, had their privacy, especially as, like newly wed is so important for newly weds to have their privacy and understand their relationship without everybody pitching in and explaining things. I feel like if and maybe I'm the only one that's unmarried here really in this discussion but I think that if you are having conflict is so easy for someone who does not understand your relationship to metal in and give you advice. That's going to be more harmful than good, because they don't know your partner, they don't know your history, they don't know your context, so all they see is that argument at face value. So they're going to exactly say something or do something. That might even add more fuel to the fire.
Speaker 3:But if maybe you as a couple were able to resolve that thing privately without anybody knowing, perhaps as a couple you can move past that. And I think also that having all of those people metal in can also like they'll always remember that conflict and not remember that you've moved past that conflict. And I see it too is like, for example, with your girlfriends, when when one of your girlfriends argues with their boyfriend and they tell you something like crazy about that guy, and if they get back together you might have a little bit of resentment for that guy because you learned about what he did to your friend, even though they moved past it. But had you never heard that, maybe you wouldn't hold that against them. So that's why I think there are certain things that require privacy in the beginning. That could go but will not allow you to to sort of experience that. I don't know if that makes sense 100%.
Speaker 1:It makes sense 100% and you don't need to be married to know that. Adam, just me, it's like sometimes some of these things are just common sense, like the best piece of advice I got when I got married was to keep problems amongst us. Now, every couple has problems. Every couple has, like, small arguments and big arguments. I think it would be unsafe to like this is my personal opinion it would be unsafe to completely isolate yourself once you get married, to the point where you have no one to talk to or you feel like you can't like debrief with people that you trust. Now, that being said, big issues, like some things you just need to keep private to your relationship. So I think you have to strike the right balance. But the overall like advice that I would give and that I think we're seeing play out in Babel is having that intimacy and that privacy within your relationship is very important to maintaining the longevity of it. Because, like you mentioned, if I come to my friend and I say this oh, I can't say that on the podcast, this man did this, this and that Then once we make up and we probably will make up now you're looking at me like dang, here, I was keeping for you and you went back to him.
Speaker 1:But it's like a relationship. That's what happens in a relationship. There's ups and downs. You have problems, you resolve them, you work through them. When you're in the intimacy of your own home, it's much easier to do that without the judgment of people outside, and when you live in a Kuru Kuru Muck in a family house, it's almost it's like near impossible to come back from. Certain things, like what we just saw in the last episode is going to be hard for Halil and Fah to come back from that, because it was so bad, like he showed up to the event that they were supposed to reconcile them and and and divorce her right then and there, like how do you come back from that Exactly?
Speaker 3:No sutra, no nothing. He's so a fool like you could have at least waited. Like like fake, do that fake reconciliation and pull her to the side, but in front of everybody, like he. Just he showed his ass that day.
Speaker 2:He literally did. It was, like him, humiliating, like you know, like how do you do that to someone? Also, can I just say Leila, to how do you just have your own abortion and put someone else's name on the paper? Who does that?
Speaker 3:She's crazy for that.
Speaker 2:She's so wild.
Speaker 1:I never could have seen that coming, because here I was thinking, leila, I'm going to look what they sick. She got her own problems. Now she can stop worrying about other people and she still found a way to make it about other people. I don't, I don't know where they're going with this. I hope it's. I mean, obviously it's in a vindicating way, like they're going to have to eventually vindicate Fah and Halil. But Leila, like yesterday, honestly, watching it, all I could see was pure ugliness in her. She's so evil, she's so mean.
Speaker 3:The real villain is Babakar. Babakar won the Italy. He's the one who cried. He started all of this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm going to challenge you on that, adam. I don't think so. You know why? Because he played her before. This is not the first time that Leila has gone through this with Babakar, so she should have been careful. I would have had to have you sleep spending the night at my house, you, the Imam, and your father spending the night at my house the day before the wedding to make sure this is actually going to happen. You know she put too much effort, but all of that it's like Babakar is the villain.
Speaker 3:You know why he's the villain? Because you could have. He's like you said, they were together before. She didn't call him and tell him to come back. He came back on his own accord. He could have just let things be, let her live her life and he moved on. What was the point of this? He wasted everybody's time. He ruined everybody's life. What was the point? What was the reason?
Speaker 1:But do you think that? No, no, I have something to say. Do you think that he would have married her had someone not come and said something? So his intention in coming back wasn't to waste her time. It was just that he found out some information and he dealt with it the wrong way by just leaving, and that makes him the villain that definitely makes him the villain.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because why are you like? And this is another, maybe we should have another podcast about this, Because a lot of Senegalese men are cowards, and I know people are going to listen to this podcast and fight on it.
Speaker 3:But they're cowards Because I've seen a lot of Senegalese men in the situation that Babaka has been in Listen to their parents not fight against their parents, but listen to their parents and watch the girl that they love walk away from their lives and then Senkholidi dug when that girl gets married to somebody else and then now they're just angry in, miserable for their life because they listen to their parents. I see a lot of women defending their husbands, when not a lot of husbands defending their wives, or a lot of men defending their future wives or fiancé. The way that Senegalese mothers have their sons in a chokehold, the way that Senegalese fathers have their sons in a chokehold, is fascinating to me, because Senegalese men are supposed to be the authority figure in their marriage, but their parents have so much weight and sway over them. Maybe this is just my personal experience and what I've seen around me. Maybe you all have seen something else.
Speaker 3:But based on what I've seen in my community that I've frequented.
Speaker 2:I'm like we're living in the same community, no backbones.
Speaker 3:Whatever? Yeah, they are like that.
Speaker 1:They definitely do not. Sorry, let me just stop.
Speaker 3:No, it's like the girls are the ones who are speaking out for what they believe in Going toofing now with their moms and their dads. What did Baba Kuzfada say After what he said? Biddil or something? That's the reason why you go into Italy. Are you serious Biddil when they say move on, move forward? That's the reason why you left Leila. He's the villain. He doesn't fight anything at all with the person.
Speaker 2:He supposedly loves Right, and then you didn't even have the DCC to tell her, you just packed your bag and left. You're like the grime-iest, lowest that part man in the world.
Speaker 3:That part Didn't even tell her. Yep, that's why he's a villain.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we got our villain.
Speaker 1:I got my villain right here. I had to take your optimism for a little second, but I will listen to what you guys were saying and I agree he is definitely a villain, but I think this show has so many villains. I think all the characters are villains, Lowkey, with the exception of, like the Mariam and her family. Maybe her husband is a villain, but her and her son they're cool.
Speaker 3:Even Mariam is a little sad about it, but I'm not hurt. Mariam is a little sad about it, but I'm not hurt. We forgot about Nubu.
Speaker 2:Mariam was definitely sad about it.
Speaker 3:Nubu was harmless.
Speaker 2:She is. No one in that house is not, I'm not. Ibnu Ibnu might be the only person.
Speaker 1:Ibnu needs to be institutionalized.
Speaker 2:I think in this he's looked at the person who don't know what's going on. But really he got it right, mad Yogi.
Speaker 1:He said I'm not for logic.
Speaker 2:Before the naked.
Speaker 3:Yes, I'm not.
Speaker 2:Ibnu man. His eyes are the way he is Right now.
Speaker 3:He's like look at it Next few days. People are like be heck, I'm not doing the logic and that's what affected Mad. That's what they need to do. Like they don't even know what they're arguing about at this point. Nobody knows what they're arguing about. Nobody knows why it went this far. They're just going and then it's going to get to a point where it's going to get out of hand. Like Nubu, in the beginning she was like a harmless satan there. Like everybody liked her. Like everybody was like this is the first satan that we ever liked in the series. But now we're seeing that her harmless behavior is no longer harmless. It sort of led to the mess that we have now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and just like a Sena Giddies woman, I don't even know. Well, maybe someone like her. She's now like uh, doesn't say that girl. You already was in the like plan, so now that we executed, you don't get to like pull yourself out of that. You are an issue as well. Exactly.
Speaker 1:I think Nubu's character is interesting in a way that shows us that even though she's petty in the way that, would you bet, your can be sometimes, she still has a limit. She's like I'm not going to go that far, as far as to like break two people up where in love, and even though far is pretty far for her, like honestly, she's done a lot of bad things. I think her character is interesting in a way that she like juxtaposed against Layla. You think you would think that Nubu would be capable of doing something like this. So for Layla to do it and Nubu to be like keep me out of this, this is way too far for me. I think that's interesting too.
Speaker 2:Yes, I guess I can say I respect that, because Layla, she don't have that. She just goes out into the wild and she just does whatever. She just has no stop sign at all and that's scary, I'm bitter.
Speaker 1:I have a question for you guys. Do you think that Omar Cham really like I think he obviously is like puzzled as to why she was in the maternity ward? Which, first of all, why do they think that if you go to the maternity ward and say God, that is only because of pregnancy? Do people not go to the gynecologist just on a regular basis? Anyways, that's for another episode, but do you think he, like peep game, he knows what's going on and he's going to add two and two together and realize that Layla Cham was pregnant?
Speaker 2:Because we know Omar Cham is not that smart. I think that it will have to be a situation where he will be forced to put two and two together For him to just be like well, somebody on Layla was at the clinic and I think she's pregnant, I think Nubble is going to have to be sitting down and think they're going to have to have a conversation about Nubble, seeing her throwing up him, seeing her at the clinic, and then he's going to be like okay, I don't know, maybe somebody, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I agree. I feel like that's how he's going to figure it out. I still don't believe he got his butt. I'm still waiting for, like something in the episode.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, I don't need that. I don't think he got it. I don't believe that.
Speaker 2:I don't think he did and I think that's why he's so content Well, not really content, but with just having that mediocre job. Not saying that that job is mediocre, but you know, just like doing that Because he's so fast.
Speaker 3:But I feel like the cat's going to come out of the bag because the remember the doctor that gave her the referral to go to that gynecologist. He might say something. Or the guy who's performing the procedure himself, he might say something there's too many people involved for like the secrets that come out somehow. But because Model D they have the same plot. They just like change the characters up every season, like oh, bad things happen, but then at the end everybody gets vindicated. Or like the truth comes out and then the end.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they do do that. And which that brings me to say, ladies and gentlemen, fadbento is not life scan, and they keep making the same reference. And it's like, really, if you all just thought about the fact that she's not life scan, you all would know that these things or people that's not her Talk about, jigan Bujez Butao, like, how did you just?
Speaker 3:assume that that's your wife. I keep that to. I was like am I the only one who thinks she's brown skin? Maybe she's considered light skinned in Senegal? I don't know. I keep that to. I was like I'm confused.
Speaker 2:Definitely brown.
Speaker 1:I feel like back to the Omar thing. They're gonna everybody else in the family is going to convene on this whole abortion thing. And then, finally, at the last one, I was going to be like oh yeah, by the way, that's how I was going to come up. He's not smart enough to piece it together on his own. But I agree, Fadbento is definitely brown skin. And why is it that? In Senegal that's how they characterize people like Jigan Bujez, the new chest and your like. There has to be other descriptors to help people figure out what they're trying to figure out, but those when you go to like a city.
Speaker 3:No, finish your thought. That's how I was. I was.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, I was just saying like it seems to be a thing that comes up often, especially when it comes to like sitting bullies or something like that, where they're like my true Jigan Bujez beat and your. It's like there's so many tall life skin people or like short dark skin people. I don't know.
Speaker 3:In fact, if not, that's what happened with madam's husband. Remember when?
Speaker 2:you were saying that I'm the pool.
Speaker 3:I forget what he would description you use. Call him the deflate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he did. I think he said the same thing like the past that I'm told like that could be money, first of all because she's light skin and she's just as tall and has gym. So you are not like you said. I see you need to be more descriptive Big eyes, red wig. You need to talk about something you did to give me more. Give me more. This is everybody.
Speaker 3:Another part too, about the abortion is that didn't adopt this again. Um, father supposedly, uh, raped. Didn't he say that? Or maybe I just heard that? Yes, so how come? Hallelujah, yes, that went over. How do you love this woman? Like I really, really don't understand man. I'm like because someone was saying this on tiktok, it's like, do men? Really love it because like your wife was supposedly like assaulted and the first thing you do is divorce her. You don't try to understand that situation, that type of violence against your wife.
Speaker 2:That's weird absolutely, hallel also. Actually he might be worse than oma because he also don't put two and two together. How is she taking birth control and now she's having an abortion?
Speaker 1:please make it make sense like that doesn't make sense at all, and another thing that don't make sense is how does leila cham know she's five weeks pregnant? Did the other doctor do a test on her and figure it out?
Speaker 3:you know, marody is not concerned with the facts. Marody does not care about the fact I I need to be.
Speaker 1:I need to know the fact. I also need to know I'm deaf wait, there was something I needed to know. No, what was it? Oh, the other doctor is in love with with leila, by the way. Oh, yeah, of course.
Speaker 2:Okay, absolutely honestly, therefore, therefore, a second honestly, I was thinking he was about to be like I'll be the father to the child.
Speaker 1:That's how I love you, yeah oh, lord babel is a mess, you guys, it's a hot mess it is, and I must say I don't really have a favorite character besides um jubilee iman.
Speaker 2:I like her. Therefore she don't play no games.
Speaker 1:I love her that would be a favorite character, but she is crazy. She walked in the house and she said my thing is, you really brought that girl in there and just at the party what party was it? The buck party? Oh lord, she was a hot mess. I do.
Speaker 2:I do like that she she's right, you know she, she's, she's honest, at least because nobody else in the show is honest at all. But I must say I think this episode rocked everybody's world and I'm super excited about what's next. I can't wait. I already couldn't wait for this episode. I was on youtube every day, so I can buy that I'm like where is this episode? And then it can't and it just blew my mind.
Speaker 3:I was not afraid at all, because the problem is motordy. They're not consistent. That's the problem when things get good then they give you some weak spot at the end and you're like what?
Speaker 1:but I'm we need to write a letter right now asking them to not butcher the end. I hate a butchered finale, or a butched finale, however you say it, bosh what do you guys hide you guys think is gonna end?
Speaker 3:I feel like they're gonna bring babaka back and then, once leila sees babaka, her heart is gonna soften a little bit that's not what I want. I don't I thought I was the only one here.
Speaker 1:I thought I was the only one I don't ever want to see babaka's face again.
Speaker 3:And babaka is a low paid actor because you know, mother, they don't pay their actors. So if he's an actor that's not demanding more money, he will definitely be back out of motordy is gonna come after.
Speaker 1:You didn't be like who is this thing he's coming after?
Speaker 2:I love it one thing is if babaka comes back and leila chan gives this man another chance, man, oh man, that won't make it twice third time.
Speaker 1:It's not the charm here, okay, I think so I don't like that ending I think, unfortunately they're gonna make five pregnant, so that way the fasenala is invalid and they're gonna try to reconcile the two of them. I I used to be a hopeless romantic. I feel like I'm not anymore because to me there's certain levels of disrespect, public disrespect, that you just do not go back to like the babel. The chan family has shown that they don't really care about fa been too. The fact that fa had to come to like uh sorry, the fact that halil did not send his brothers to pick up his wife, he's like oh, give me another week because I have to make sure that she knows that I'm the kiri for, and if I've been too soon she's gonna like that.
Speaker 1:That bs narrative right there I can't get behind. So then for her um to come to terms with everything that's going on and and yuga chan and his kids to come and retrieve her, and then for for halil to do what he did in front of everybody. I know girl fatim also agrees. That's ridiculous to me, so I just can't. Um, it's just, it's upsetting me and my home girls. I hope that they don't end it on that note of like five being pregnant and halil and her reconciling and everything is fine because everything is not fine. This family there's a lot of things that are going on right now it's generational, it's like it needs to be fixed, like at the core, and not just this specific scenario that they're gonna try to brush over.
Speaker 2:I feel like they're gonna try to brush over too easily I don't, really, I think I can't think of any scenario that would be good here here, like any good scenario to me, because even, maybe, okay maybe, I'm thinking baba kash's dad will recognize hadih and then all of that will blow up in their face and then, yeah, fa is not gonna go back to him. I don't know. No, because mugil man, in the way she really loves him, and I think that love really make you do these crazy things, so that really can be a possibility maybe her mom will talk some sense to her girl, she don't listen to her mama.
Speaker 2:She was ready to go back her.
Speaker 3:I say you ready to go back yourself I have one last question, um, that'll help us wrap up this episode, like we just talked about what we think the ending could be. But what would be your ideal like the perfect ending for you for this season? And then maybe we can like listen to this episode and then we'll see which one of us is right. Well, I guess no, maybe not, because perfect and right aren't the same thing. So maybe what we see is perfect might not be what muddle these seasons perfect, but for you, if you were muddled, you today, how would you write the ending?
Speaker 1:it's a good question that is a great question I would have, I, I would number one, have fa and halil Like this, this fasenalla, I would keep that. I would be like, yep, it's over, far can go and rebuild her own life and how they can go deal with it with his crazy family. Yep, I agree, yep, yeah, I would keep that. I think for Sadir and Ausha, I would have our share Metamorph into like this super competent, super In your face woman who would put Sadir in his place, I Think, because they already have kids. I'm not gonna say that they should do force, but I think she should show him what time it is, so that he can Respect her a little bit more. And out, though, also, I think our share should be Georgia's ass Excuse my French, one good time, I think. Yeah, those are the primary things.
Speaker 1:Like those two couples for me are the Like the, the crux of the show for me. I was here and said here and ha and fa and Khalil Excuse me, what about? I think? I think Leila should say single, and that should show her that having a black heart the ending you look one is not ever a good thing to do. So I would keep Leila single. No more boyfriends for her, or she has boyfriends. I just keep breaking her heart because the things that she's showing it's giving she's not learning any lessons and she's she has misplaced anger, like Adam was talking about early, like she's mad at everybody except who she should be mad at. So that's what I would say, and then hopefully Nubble can respect bucket a little bit more too, because poor bucket, I'm more benefit, especially negative Sam for the always plays those roles.
Speaker 3:He was like that too, I.
Speaker 2:Yes, but honestly though, I think he liked the yakuza in him, like, and that's what just makes it ten times worse. But yeah, I said to I I like your scenarios. Definitely halelin fall. That can't be a thing.
Speaker 2:I think she opens up her crush or whatever, and hopefully I'm also with you, I was here like finally stands on her own and maybe works with fire and then that keeps her busy and just confident, gives her some boosts of confidence. I think Leila John gotta I don't wish bad things on people, but, goddamn, it's something probably gotta have to do, something needs to happen her. She needs to learn her lesson and she's that kind of person where she don't just learn her lessons from Like a regular, just pat on her back like you really got to do something damaging for her to learn this lesson. So let's just go ahead and do that for Leila John Um, let's do that for honey time too, because she out of control. Just she's so young and in the fact that Really all of this is actually we didn't talk about this, but she is the villain because she the one who went to Baba cut house in the first place and did that Supposedly right, or whoever.
Speaker 2:Whoever did it, whoever did it, that is the issue. But if it's honey time, definitely cancel her. Um, I think you can try, and probably you know what, maybe you can charm gotta die For them to learn this lesson, for them to just wreck us out. I don't know, y'all, it might have to happen.
Speaker 3:Like my ending.
Speaker 1:Oh, go ahead. I was just gonna say if you go to, I'm dies, the whole family falls apart. As good or bad as he is, he's the only reason why they're still acting civilized.
Speaker 3:Nice to use the glue that's keeping you together.
Speaker 2:That's a lot of families you don't think you will come today, senses, you're right and I come in today, senses, these people are not all type people that come today. Let's keep you go. I guess we'll go back and keep it if it, if it really gotta stay, if the king gotta stay, yeah, and I think that's it am I, am I leaving out anybody? Maybe? Yeah, no, will need to respect paqir Sadi and Jojo. That's actually good for him. That's what he get. His nyada is very safe, I know. Hope he finds out and have to go back to our share. That would be interesting.
Speaker 3:I don't want that to happen. Like you were talking about our chef and said it said it's not getting a Divorce because they have kids. Fuck the kid like they can get a divorce. And I was shaking, like be, like, have a money, so this is like his sufferers gonna be with the, with the nyada who's now an hour, so he can like Get his karma that way. And then, honey, tom has her visa to Canada denied for her karma. And then, and then what's our name.
Speaker 3:Bob comes back. They don't get back together but like he comes back to Senegal and marry somebody else and she sees that and then pa and Holly will get divorced and Then pa lives her best life. And then how do you get married to many but like many realizes is she don't like him, and then she gets a divorce from him and he's miserable. And then what else? And then Ibucham, himself a nice wife and lives his best life. Well, my missing bucket charm married a second wife and and have I covered all the brothers?
Speaker 2:You got a down pack. She's breaking it down, but I can't.
Speaker 1:Be, I don't, I don't. Bucket is going to jail. Cuz remember that first episode he was stealing gold from the visual thing that's true, but I want him to go to jail. This is my perfect ending he needed him, but he's not he's not gonna make it in jail.
Speaker 3:I said to bucket is not evil. No vocal like me, he's. He's. He has good intentions. He's like he's not the one that's always starting. The drama gets moved into the mess because of another. I don't. I don't wish him no negative ending.
Speaker 2:I guess I see that, but he also needed just I'm a whole, I'm the killer from towel cookie like that doesn't necessarily make you the killer for you should be, but your actions don't make you that of course not.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's definitely not living to their own, living up to their room. His face is funny. I think I covered all of my bases yep, wait, what about Lypin I?
Speaker 2:was about to just say yes, I love him but I think he gets exposed because he needs to be exposed. But are they even gonna care? Because?
Speaker 1:I thought he was gonna get. How did I'm?
Speaker 2:pregnant.
Speaker 3:That's a twist, oh man do that when they realize they're getting mud on.
Speaker 2:Yes, or I also like they found out about her relationship and they make her marry her. She'd be miserable oh yeah that's the miserable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love it I think, yeah, all these people need a rude awakening, they need some life lessons. The only person I'm really kidding for right now is mad sukeina, which is five mama, at least she knows what's going on.
Speaker 3:She said my daughter is not going back until I hear a very good reason why she should come back and I like that representation of her because, like she was saying that I'm not like the other mothers would be like in the most of my yahoo door, most of I hate that I pray so much. That's so cool to me.
Speaker 2:I love that yeah yeah, they do do that. It's like how do you say that? What do you mean? Say yeah, like I, like I need to, I need to know how my daughter is being treated in a household and you're not showing that. Like you know and I also love the fact that he was she was just like who did y'all come? Because he said y'all call you, sent y'all, or do y'all come because that's?
Speaker 2:the right thing to do you know like she actually cares about her daughter's happiness and well-being like I love that.
Speaker 1:It's just not a good representation, because we often think that what has ever see is over. That's it. But there are ways for people to take care of you. Like Fah had a really good like monologue when she was talking with her cousin. I think that mom yancy, with what them that photo, could have had a little young see. So if he is the one that came and asked for her hand when things go wrong, he should also be the one to come and try to fix it at the end of the day. Like they're really trying to treat her like she's some on clearance merchandise and she's not like give her some respect. You got time for me. Talk for no needy. Okay, I'm not gonna go on that. I just can't this. So mad about everybody on this.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, I thought he's gonna have another heart attack right there. That scene was intense. Yeah, that was, that was pretty bad.
Speaker 1:I can't imagine the embarrassment they almost felt, but how last. We should see what happens in the next episode. Thank you guys for listening and and entertaining us through this ramble that we just had. I think Bob is one of those shows that definitely is getting people talking. So I must give more of the their kudos on that, but, like you said, I don't. They tend to not always follow through. So let's hope that for Bob the end of season one is as we would like, or at least is satisfactory and makes sense. At least let's have it be logical logic, the way that even some would, even the child would say let's, let's look for logic and apply that.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna give mother did the benefit of the doubt. I'm gonna say they finally got it right because I asked. I'm gonna say yes, I believe them. Them to give us a spectacular finale.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, yeah, we have any final thoughts before we say goodbye to our listeners on this episode now the girl said it all.
Speaker 3:We just hope that, mother, he doesn't play in our faces, but then also to be thankful for what they've given us so far. I think a lot of lessons learned, because in these series is how most of us connect back to Senegal, senegal and Senegalese culture. Like I, learned a lot about this dynamic. I've never lived it. I never lived, but I've seen a lot of things. It's gonna help me understand people who came out of that situation, so I. There's a lot of learnings that I think I could apply in my real life. So thank you, mother B, for that.
Speaker 2:Yes, I can say that definitely some. I did not know half of these things could happen or is happening. If that's happening to anyone, my kudos to you. I hope you get out of that situation.
Speaker 1:I hope we all learn from situations like this because, I don't know, it's just making me rethink a lot no, it's definitely a lot and, like you guys both mentioned, mother D, if nothing else, thank you for shedding light on this very pertinent issue. I think sometimes we think like, oh, it's 2023, nobody's living through that anymore. But there are very much people in Senegal right now who are living through these same situations, and even worse than father, the main character of Babel. So thank you, mother D, for giving us this masterpiece if I can call it that for us to watch, digest, enjoy and talk about, and we look forward to the second half of all the episodes and with that we will say thank you, as Joko, to our Joko family. Thank you for listening, thank you for writing with us throughout the last couple of seasons and thank you for listening to this episode specifically. I hope you guys have a good rest of the week and we will see you on the next episode. Thanks for listening. Bye.
